Letters to the Editor - January 25, 2017

We must unite

Editor:

Children must play!! The political display this week coming from the democrats was alarming, and should be alarming to all Americans. It was misfits acting out their aggression and vengeance on the newly elected President Trump. No regard at all for the American and European onlookers, wanting civility and getting actual work done that hasn’t been done in eight years except to spend our tax money. Seniors have had no SSI increase in two years? Our bridges still need fixing? Misfits the lot of them! The message is “Anything goes”, “Break the law!” That’s all we’ve heard from those running off at the mouth Governors, Mayors who have illegal safe havens.

The liberals of today have done a great job! Our elite colleges are full of misfits calling themselves professors. Students are intolerant and ignorant. Those that are the exception are afraid to voice their opinion, because they will be retaliated against.

We have weapons of mass destruction that can wipe all humanity out of existence and you continue down the road to Perdition?? We and the rest of the world are watching, I’m sure sad and disappointed at what they have seen and heard so far. For humanity we must unite.

We must pray to be a united people of all faiths in peace.

Analie Maccree
Goodyear

 

A republic you say? (EC2)

Editor:

Some have claimed we have the Electoral College because America is a republic. Well, yes and no. To understand why that claim is exaggerated and inaccurate, one must know what the word “republic” means, and the history of the College.

The basic principles America was founded on are democratic. “Government of the people, by the people, and for the people” as Lincoln said. Or, as Jefferson put it (in the Declaration of Independence) it is a government deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed.

Now democratic governments can take many forms. Britain, though technically a Monarchy, is actually a democracy, since the government is chosen by the people through their election of Parliament. And, since it’s Parliament which makes the laws, Britain is also a republic.

Ancient Rome was supposedly a “republic”, as is North Korea (officially the “People’s Democratic Republic”), but I doubt any of us would want to live in either place, for much the same reason. In both “republics” the people had/have little or no real say in the government which ruled/rules over them. The “noble families” of Rome controlled the Senate, and we know who really rules North Korea.

Then there’s Classical Athens, which was a pure democracy. Laws were made, and government decisions adopted, by the body of the people acting directly. There was no Parliament, Senate, or Congress, no legislative body deciding these things on behalf of the people.

As Madison says (in Federalist Paper #14): “The true distinction between these forms . . . . is that in a democracy the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents.” That, of course, is how the Electoral College was supposed to function. (But that’s not how it does.)

Gordon P.R. Posner
Tolleson

 

EC could be thing of past

Editor:

Mr. Posner, Original Intent:

You ask that we do not comment until you write additional letters to the editor. Since your opening argument is so weak I chose to ignore your advice. Also for your information, Hamilton was also an advocate for political parties while George Washington was against them, Washington explained his reasoning in his farewell address. Keep in mind that tallying the popular vote would have taken years back in 1790 when Washington was first elected. Your view of this topic is obviously colored by the fact that your candidate was elected, instead of by the simple fact that the people of this country are supposed to select their governmental leaders, not unknown party leaders in a back room.

Your candidate announced in his press conference that the Republicans would announce an improvement on health care that would be “MAGNIFICANT”. He mentioned that there would be lower deductibles and lower costs for health care in general. He also mentioned that one of the major problems with our current system was the pharmaceutical industry. He failed to mention whether the new system would be federally sponsored or run by the insurance industry. He might also want to consider the practice of hospitals charging a fraction for their services when presented by an insurance company compared to individuals for the same service.

Whatever he does to lower healthcare costs will require legislation from congress to accomplish, the same congress that for a lot longer than 8 years has been writing legislation specifically written to increase the profits of the very same industries causing the high cost of healthcare.

Mr. Trump may well become known as the President that helped eliminate The Electoral Congress.

Art Boyle
Buckeye

 

Info omitted in editorial

Editor:

As a former licensed Driving Instructor for 12 years, I read with interest any article about Driving and the Rules of the Road. And, several years ago, I had the privilege of being a Guest Commentator for the WWV on a Editorial similar in nature.

Now, with regards to your Editorial, Drivers training demise results in more laws, in the January 11, 2017 WWV, there are 2 omissions.

You write, “The rules of the road are no longer taught hands on by a trained instructor”.

Indeed, in the Public School System, Drivers Ed is virtually history. And the few schools that still offer this, are swamped with a backlog of students waiting their turn. However, there is another option. And that is a public 3rd Party Driving School. Most schools offer several different courses, including refresher training, not only for the teen driver, but also for spouses and foreign nationals.

Of course, depending on the program and the school, the fees vary greatly. So, just like with anything you buy, it pays to shop around.

Also, you write, “The really lucky ones have parents who weren’t only taught the rule of the road but also taught road etiquette”.

Back when I was teaching, I was usually able to speak with at least one parent while going over the performance of their teen son, or daughter. And, it was amazing at the number of parents who had forgotten much about the “rules and etiquette”, whereas a “trained instructor” lives and works by the rules everyday.

On a personal note, as someone who has been driving for 40 years, I have noticed that common sense and courtesy are two sadly lacking commodities in many drivers today.

Anthony Sanseverino
Litchfield Park

 

At last Gov. Ducey, thank you

Editor:

At long last, Governor Ducey has put something meaningful for our universities in his budget proposal: a tax recapture plan that will help our universities continue to attract talent and perform ground-breaking research.

We’ve had budget cuts for years and our universities have struggled to maintain the highest quality education to prepare students to meet the ever increasing need to be competitive in the marketplace. The tax recapture will allocate approximately $37 million to support vital capital infrastructure at our public universities.

The success of Arizona greatly depends on the success of our state universities. This is a very good plan.

Ben Carroll
Goodyear

 

Do not vote for Jim Cavanaugh

Editor:

Remember the annexation of Mobile? Yes, Mobile was annexed by the city of Goodyear when Jim Cavanaugh was mayor. He pushed for this annexation because of the huge ‘benefit’ Goodyear would receive, real estate taxes from 10,000 homes...that were never built! He was also a real estate businessman at the time, go figure. The only thing the annexation of Mobile resulted in was Goodyear residents paying for police and fire protection for Mobile residents. Jim Cavanaugh quit when he was mayor. Please DO NOT VOTE Jim Cavanaugh as mayor.

Louis Drinovsky
Goodyear

 

The good guys?

Editor:

The good guys? I do not think so.

There he goes again spouting falsehoods just like his idol.

Roy, California and New York are doing just fine. The states that are in such poor condition are Wisconsin, Indiana, Florida, North Carolina, Louisiana, Arizona and other Republican controlled states that believe they can serve their citizen populations by reducing taxes and services.

And if you believe ex-President’s Obama’s policies have been repudiated, have you been paying attention to the concerns of the 20 million people who are facing loss of their health protection? Or reductions in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

The good guys? I do not think so.

Arnold Knack
Avondale

 

CAG fees seem unfair

Editor:

I was noticing on my 2016 Property Tax Statement a fee of $452.10 under Special District Central Arizona GRD (CAG). For 2015 the Property Tax Statement displays $387.86. A $64.24 increase from year 2015. For year 2014 the Property Tax Statement displays $279.50. A $172.60 increase for the last 2 years. This seems kind of high to me. So I did some investigating. The small community that I live in contains roughly 90+ homes. If the average CAG fee is $450 a year that equates to roughly $40,500. Veranda also has a small strip of land (green belt) that has grass and trees in it. The 2016 CAG fee for this is $12,467.40. For 2015 the CAG fee was $10,899.40. An increase of $1568.00. So our small community of 90+ homes is paying for 2016 $52,967.74. That’s seems outrageous to me. I’ve tried calling CAG but they have not returned my calls yet.

Now get this, I did a check on some homes in Litchfield Park (that 3-mile oval with a fence around it) using the Maricopa County Assessor website which is for public use. And I discovered that the homes in that 3-mile oval do not have that Central Arizona GRD fee applied. Nor does the Wigwam or Litchfield Greens.

This to me is kind of odd because the Wigwam and Litchfield Greens have a golf course(s) on their property. And we all know golf course(s) use a lot of water.

So I am writing this so that you readers can investigate for yourself and let’s find out why the high increases each year and why are Litchfield Park and Litchfield Greens residents not paying for this fee even though they have the golf course(s) there in their area.

Bill Alcocer
Litchfield Park

 

Unfairness in reporting

Editor:

When I grew up, I learned the press was informative and always shared the news in a positive and independent manner. Then I moved to the West Valley from New England and learned, by experience, that this is not true of the West Valley View. They are very opinionated and let it be known!

One always knows in advance, by reading your editorials, exactly who and what you support and don’t support. In the edition of January 18th, it’s quite clear you do not support either of the Goodyear Mayoral candidates because of their “appointed then ran/are running for election terms”. Why didn’t you do the same when Rogers and then Weise ran in Avondale? They too were appointed and not only ran and ran, but changed the Charter for election dates so they got yet an additional year of service. But, of course, you supported and stood with them.

With your attitude, no wonder the paper gets thinner and thinner with little real news, except of course, SPORTS! Why would anyone advertise in this type of paper? They too may not get supported.

Betty S Lynch
Litchfield Park

 

Trump will hurt the poor

Editor:

here’s is What i fill About Danald J. Trump. his Name Says it All. he’s Trump the Scrump. And Will Trump On All of us Poor Peopel. What i Mean by That. he wont’s To Take Away The Obama Care. and Send the Imagrants Back Acr oss The border And builden That Stupid Wall To Keep Them from Crossing To The United States To work for Little are Less. And take Away our MediCare An SS i founds & fedral founds that’s what Trump the Srunp want’s To do. i have No Reppect for this Man. None What So Ever As for as i’m Councierend. Trump The Scrump is a Screw ball. him & his Staff And family n all. hillory Cliton Should have Been Our Next Prisedent Of The U.S. Not Trump.

 

Mary Scott
Buckeye

 

Demeanor was disrespectful

Editor:

Bored, uncomfortable, annoyed, disrespectful, all words that I believe best represents President Trumps’ demeanor at the Inauguration Prayer Service on Sunday morning. I am not a sleeve wearing Christian, but I do believe in God and believe he has carried this great country through thick and thin. Especially at this time in our history and with the challenges before us, we certainly need His blessings. The “Faith of Our Fathers” cannot and should not be lost at this critical time in our history.

Don Rerick
Litchfield Park

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The Woman's march.

I thought I was in a Time Warp , watching that.

If their grievous were collect , why not march when

President Obama was in office for 8 years.

Vickie J. Chelini

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Dear Vickie:

   Please translate that into English, so those of us who speak that language can respond?

Electoral College,

This system maybe a big part of the problem.

What do you think ?

"Each State's Laws vary in how the Electors are

selected and what their responsibilities are.

Better if all states functioned the same way.

Vickie

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  Please excuse me if I don't respond at present.  I'm working my way to stating what problems I think exist with the Electoral College as it functions now, and what I think the possible solution is.  But it's important to read everything I say before we get to that point.  After all, we have to know were we've been, and how we got here, before we can know where we are, or where to go from there.

   Be patient.

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Vickie,

What Problem exactly are you referring to, and why would it be better if all the states functioned the same way?

Patrick

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Dear Mr. Rerick:

   And what "faith" would that be?  If you're referring to the ancestors of each American, you should be aware that there is great diversity of faith here (by constitutionial design).  The faith of my fathers (and mothers) is Judaism.  I have a friend whose faith is Buddhism, and I'm pretty sure many Native Americans have a different faith entirely!

   If you mean the Founding Fathers, you should know there was almost as much diversity among them (and among what I call the "Founding Generation") as there exists today. Even among Christian Americans this was true.  New England was mostly Congregationalist, while the South was mostly Anglican. And those differences were vital, since (at the time) many of those States had an established Church, and imposed penalties on those who were of different faiths.  (The horrendous treatment of Baptists at the hands of Virginia's Anglican Establishment inspired Jefferson and Madison to be staunch champions of Church/State Separation.)

   As for Lying Trump, since I didn't watch the Inauguration (or prayer service) I can't comment on how accurate your description of his demeanor is, but it doesn't suprise me.  Among the many lies he told one of the biggest was his claim to be a religious person, yet when asked to name his favorite part of the Bible he couldn't think of one, and when asked to name his favorite book he mentioned The Art of the Deal, which he had written.  Not a surprise, since his true "faith" is in himself alone!

P.S. -  Don't tell Art Boyle I wrote this.  He seems to think Lying Trump was my candidate!

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Dear Mr. Boyle:

   You really should have waited to see what my "argument" is before responding.  Not only is that more effcient, but you avoid making a fool of yourself that way.  So let's review your "arguemnt", and see how weak it truly is.

   First, what the heck do political parties have to do with what I wrote?  I said nothing on that subject, and the only discussion about them to be found in The Federalist Papers is denunciation of what Madison called "factions".  Yes, Hamilton may have favored them, and Washington opposed them (I say may since, unlike me, you provided no proof for your claim), but that happened after the Constitution was adopted.  It may come as a surprise, but the U.S. hasn't developed precisely the way the Founders intended or foresaw.  (I will touch on that in another Letter in the series.)  They obviously also didn't foresee the Electoral College operating or developing the way it did.  (The history about that will also appear in a future Letter.)  At this stage all I'm discussing is what their intentions for the College were, and I've quotde extensively from their writings to prove it.  Too bad you can't say the same for your claims.

   Second, "tallying the popular vote" is part of the process by which the Electoral College functions.  The Electors aren't chosen by lot, or created out of thin air.  Under the present system they are themselves elected by the majority of the popular vote within each State!  Whichever candidate gets said majority gets the Electors from that State.  (Maine, and I believe, Nebraska are exceptions to that process, since the Electors are chosen by congressional district there. Still, since Majority Rule applies, the popular vote in each district must be tallied in order to decide which candidate's electors won.)  Why do you think the winner of the election was able to be declared on Election Night, more than a month before the Electors cast their vote?  It's really not all that hard to "tally" the popular vote, especially in the 21st Century with computers and the Internet!  Even back in the 18th Century it wouldn't have taken "years" - though that is why the Electors met in their States to cast their votes weeks after the popular election.  (It's also why the results of the Electors' votes had to be brought to Washington for a final "tally" weeks later.  Technically, it's only then that a President is constitutionally elected. Everything before that moment is mere "prelude".)

   Third, Lying Trump was my candidate?  I think that sentence demolishes your argument all by itself.  Go back and review my Letters and Comments over the past two years if you have any doubt about my "support" for that creature!

   Fourth, no, Lying Trump won't be known as the President who helped eliminate the "Electoral Congress", because there's no such thing!  The correct term, as used throughout my Letter (and the ones to come) is Electoral College.   Can't even get that correct, can you?

   I regularly call Roy "the Factless Wonder" because he ventures his opinion (with arrogance, self-assurance, and bile) without any facts it support it, and often the opinion is contrary to fact.  Which is why his opinions tend to be worthless.

   I see he has competition for that title.

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