Letters to the Editor - January 25, 2017

We must unite

Editor:

Children must play!! The political display this week coming from the democrats was alarming, and should be alarming to all Americans. It was misfits acting out their aggression and vengeance on the newly elected President Trump. No regard at all for the American and European onlookers, wanting civility and getting actual work done that hasn’t been done in eight years except to spend our tax money. Seniors have had no SSI increase in two years? Our bridges still need fixing? Misfits the lot of them! The message is “Anything goes”, “Break the law!” That’s all we’ve heard from those running off at the mouth Governors, Mayors who have illegal safe havens.

The liberals of today have done a great job! Our elite colleges are full of misfits calling themselves professors. Students are intolerant and ignorant. Those that are the exception are afraid to voice their opinion, because they will be retaliated against.

We have weapons of mass destruction that can wipe all humanity out of existence and you continue down the road to Perdition?? We and the rest of the world are watching, I’m sure sad and disappointed at what they have seen and heard so far. For humanity we must unite.

We must pray to be a united people of all faiths in peace.

Analie Maccree
Goodyear

 

A republic you say? (EC2)

Editor:

Some have claimed we have the Electoral College because America is a republic. Well, yes and no. To understand why that claim is exaggerated and inaccurate, one must know what the word “republic” means, and the history of the College.

The basic principles America was founded on are democratic. “Government of the people, by the people, and for the people” as Lincoln said. Or, as Jefferson put it (in the Declaration of Independence) it is a government deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed.

Now democratic governments can take many forms. Britain, though technically a Monarchy, is actually a democracy, since the government is chosen by the people through their election of Parliament. And, since it’s Parliament which makes the laws, Britain is also a republic.

Ancient Rome was supposedly a “republic”, as is North Korea (officially the “People’s Democratic Republic”), but I doubt any of us would want to live in either place, for much the same reason. In both “republics” the people had/have little or no real say in the government which ruled/rules over them. The “noble families” of Rome controlled the Senate, and we know who really rules North Korea.

Then there’s Classical Athens, which was a pure democracy. Laws were made, and government decisions adopted, by the body of the people acting directly. There was no Parliament, Senate, or Congress, no legislative body deciding these things on behalf of the people.

As Madison says (in Federalist Paper #14): “The true distinction between these forms . . . . is that in a democracy the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents.” That, of course, is how the Electoral College was supposed to function. (But that’s not how it does.)

Gordon P.R. Posner
Tolleson

 

EC could be thing of past

Editor:

Mr. Posner, Original Intent:

You ask that we do not comment until you write additional letters to the editor. Since your opening argument is so weak I chose to ignore your advice. Also for your information, Hamilton was also an advocate for political parties while George Washington was against them, Washington explained his reasoning in his farewell address. Keep in mind that tallying the popular vote would have taken years back in 1790 when Washington was first elected. Your view of this topic is obviously colored by the fact that your candidate was elected, instead of by the simple fact that the people of this country are supposed to select their governmental leaders, not unknown party leaders in a back room.

Your candidate announced in his press conference that the Republicans would announce an improvement on health care that would be “MAGNIFICANT”. He mentioned that there would be lower deductibles and lower costs for health care in general. He also mentioned that one of the major problems with our current system was the pharmaceutical industry. He failed to mention whether the new system would be federally sponsored or run by the insurance industry. He might also want to consider the practice of hospitals charging a fraction for their services when presented by an insurance company compared to individuals for the same service.

Whatever he does to lower healthcare costs will require legislation from congress to accomplish, the same congress that for a lot longer than 8 years has been writing legislation specifically written to increase the profits of the very same industries causing the high cost of healthcare.

Mr. Trump may well become known as the President that helped eliminate The Electoral Congress.

Art Boyle
Buckeye

 

Info omitted in editorial

Editor:

As a former licensed Driving Instructor for 12 years, I read with interest any article about Driving and the Rules of the Road. And, several years ago, I had the privilege of being a Guest Commentator for the WWV on a Editorial similar in nature.

Now, with regards to your Editorial, Drivers training demise results in more laws, in the January 11, 2017 WWV, there are 2 omissions.

You write, “The rules of the road are no longer taught hands on by a trained instructor”.

Indeed, in the Public School System, Drivers Ed is virtually history. And the few schools that still offer this, are swamped with a backlog of students waiting their turn. However, there is another option. And that is a public 3rd Party Driving School. Most schools offer several different courses, including refresher training, not only for the teen driver, but also for spouses and foreign nationals.

Of course, depending on the program and the school, the fees vary greatly. So, just like with anything you buy, it pays to shop around.

Also, you write, “The really lucky ones have parents who weren’t only taught the rule of the road but also taught road etiquette”.

Back when I was teaching, I was usually able to speak with at least one parent while going over the performance of their teen son, or daughter. And, it was amazing at the number of parents who had forgotten much about the “rules and etiquette”, whereas a “trained instructor” lives and works by the rules everyday.

On a personal note, as someone who has been driving for 40 years, I have noticed that common sense and courtesy are two sadly lacking commodities in many drivers today.

Anthony Sanseverino
Litchfield Park

 

At last Gov. Ducey, thank you

Editor:

At long last, Governor Ducey has put something meaningful for our universities in his budget proposal: a tax recapture plan that will help our universities continue to attract talent and perform ground-breaking research.

We’ve had budget cuts for years and our universities have struggled to maintain the highest quality education to prepare students to meet the ever increasing need to be competitive in the marketplace. The tax recapture will allocate approximately $37 million to support vital capital infrastructure at our public universities.

The success of Arizona greatly depends on the success of our state universities. This is a very good plan.

Ben Carroll
Goodyear

 

Do not vote for Jim Cavanaugh

Editor:

Remember the annexation of Mobile? Yes, Mobile was annexed by the city of Goodyear when Jim Cavanaugh was mayor. He pushed for this annexation because of the huge ‘benefit’ Goodyear would receive, real estate taxes from 10,000 homes...that were never built! He was also a real estate businessman at the time, go figure. The only thing the annexation of Mobile resulted in was Goodyear residents paying for police and fire protection for Mobile residents. Jim Cavanaugh quit when he was mayor. Please DO NOT VOTE Jim Cavanaugh as mayor.

Louis Drinovsky
Goodyear

 

The good guys?

Editor:

The good guys? I do not think so.

There he goes again spouting falsehoods just like his idol.

Roy, California and New York are doing just fine. The states that are in such poor condition are Wisconsin, Indiana, Florida, North Carolina, Louisiana, Arizona and other Republican controlled states that believe they can serve their citizen populations by reducing taxes and services.

And if you believe ex-President’s Obama’s policies have been repudiated, have you been paying attention to the concerns of the 20 million people who are facing loss of their health protection? Or reductions in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

The good guys? I do not think so.

Arnold Knack
Avondale

 

CAG fees seem unfair

Editor:

I was noticing on my 2016 Property Tax Statement a fee of $452.10 under Special District Central Arizona GRD (CAG). For 2015 the Property Tax Statement displays $387.86. A $64.24 increase from year 2015. For year 2014 the Property Tax Statement displays $279.50. A $172.60 increase for the last 2 years. This seems kind of high to me. So I did some investigating. The small community that I live in contains roughly 90+ homes. If the average CAG fee is $450 a year that equates to roughly $40,500. Veranda also has a small strip of land (green belt) that has grass and trees in it. The 2016 CAG fee for this is $12,467.40. For 2015 the CAG fee was $10,899.40. An increase of $1568.00. So our small community of 90+ homes is paying for 2016 $52,967.74. That’s seems outrageous to me. I’ve tried calling CAG but they have not returned my calls yet.

Now get this, I did a check on some homes in Litchfield Park (that 3-mile oval with a fence around it) using the Maricopa County Assessor website which is for public use. And I discovered that the homes in that 3-mile oval do not have that Central Arizona GRD fee applied. Nor does the Wigwam or Litchfield Greens.

This to me is kind of odd because the Wigwam and Litchfield Greens have a golf course(s) on their property. And we all know golf course(s) use a lot of water.

So I am writing this so that you readers can investigate for yourself and let’s find out why the high increases each year and why are Litchfield Park and Litchfield Greens residents not paying for this fee even though they have the golf course(s) there in their area.

Bill Alcocer
Litchfield Park

 

Unfairness in reporting

Editor:

When I grew up, I learned the press was informative and always shared the news in a positive and independent manner. Then I moved to the West Valley from New England and learned, by experience, that this is not true of the West Valley View. They are very opinionated and let it be known!

One always knows in advance, by reading your editorials, exactly who and what you support and don’t support. In the edition of January 18th, it’s quite clear you do not support either of the Goodyear Mayoral candidates because of their “appointed then ran/are running for election terms”. Why didn’t you do the same when Rogers and then Weise ran in Avondale? They too were appointed and not only ran and ran, but changed the Charter for election dates so they got yet an additional year of service. But, of course, you supported and stood with them.

With your attitude, no wonder the paper gets thinner and thinner with little real news, except of course, SPORTS! Why would anyone advertise in this type of paper? They too may not get supported.

Betty S Lynch
Litchfield Park

 

Trump will hurt the poor

Editor:

here’s is What i fill About Danald J. Trump. his Name Says it All. he’s Trump the Scrump. And Will Trump On All of us Poor Peopel. What i Mean by That. he wont’s To Take Away The Obama Care. and Send the Imagrants Back Acr oss The border And builden That Stupid Wall To Keep Them from Crossing To The United States To work for Little are Less. And take Away our MediCare An SS i founds & fedral founds that’s what Trump the Srunp want’s To do. i have No Reppect for this Man. None What So Ever As for as i’m Councierend. Trump The Scrump is a Screw ball. him & his Staff And family n all. hillory Cliton Should have Been Our Next Prisedent Of The U.S. Not Trump.

 

Mary Scott
Buckeye

 

Demeanor was disrespectful

Editor:

Bored, uncomfortable, annoyed, disrespectful, all words that I believe best represents President Trumps’ demeanor at the Inauguration Prayer Service on Sunday morning. I am not a sleeve wearing Christian, but I do believe in God and believe he has carried this great country through thick and thin. Especially at this time in our history and with the challenges before us, we certainly need His blessings. The “Faith of Our Fathers” cannot and should not be lost at this critical time in our history.

Don Rerick
Litchfield Park

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Comments

Trump won the election not because Hillary was a flawed candidate, which she was . He won not because he out worked her, which he did He won because the God of creation upon whom the nation was founded Jesus Christ came forth with Devine intervention to give his people another chance to save the Republic. That is fact regardless of who says otherwise.

Trump won the election not because Hillary was a flawed candidate, which she was . He won not because he out worked her, which he did He won because the God of creation upon whom the nation was founded Jesus Christ came forth with Devine intervention to give his people another chance to save the Republic. That is fact regardless of who says otherwise.

Patrick. You are hopeless and obviously are not able to see the truth if it bit you in your butt. You are a hopeless and pathetic progressive. LOL enjoy living in ignorance !

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Roy,

You are the one who needs to get serious here, rather than being disingenuous about what you are saying.

No, you were NOT referring to OUR Republic in your comment above entitled, "A Republic I say".

Let me quote you here. You said, "The words Republic and Democracy..."

You were talking about the WORDS,(Republic and Democracy).

Now you are trying to say you were referring to our nation and not to the characteristics and definitions of those WORDS.

That is not truthful.

You were defining what a Republic is, and what a Democracy is, IN GENERAL! And you got them wrong.

You were not defining what OUR Republic is. Nowhere in your comment did you specify you were talking about OUR Republic. Your words were, and I will quote you again, "a republic"... Never, our Republic.

Next, when you said you were not referring to "some dictatorship in some other part of the world", don't even get me started on what you wrote about Hitler's Germany.

Spare me the evasion about being entitled to opinions. Words have definitions and your "opinions" about what the definition is for certain words is factually inaccurate.

You need to "suck it up" and admit your error before what you say can ever be considered credible.

Or, as I expect you will do, you can wallow around in your "Alternative Facts" (which are actually falsehoods). I hope you don't, though.

Patrick

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Roy,

That saying was ATTRIBUTED to Franklin by a third party.

But there is no proof that was ever said.

Patrick

Patrick FYI upon exiting the Constitution convention in 1776 a group of citizens gathered around Benjamin Franklin and asked what kind of government the founders had established . Franklin replied " A Republic if you can keep it " The reason he gave that answer is because history had taught Franklin that Republics frequently deteriorate in a Democracy where the majority starts to impose its will on the minority no the rule of law breaks down. Now Patrick my question to you is who knows more about a Republic you, Posner or Ben Franklin ? If you have to think about that one you have a problem

Patrick

Get serious. Everything I said about the differences between a Democracy and a Republic is accurate. I am referring to our nation not some dictatorship in another part of the world. If you do not agree with me , so be it. You like me and Gordon as well are all entitled to our opinions. The thing about Gordon is that if he does not agree with someone's opinion he tears them down and tries to marginalized that person. That is bad. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion regardless how repugnant it may be to someone else. Gordon is so concerned with facts because he is an attorney. I get that. However he should litigate in court not in the letters section of the View.

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Roy,

Everything you just said about what a Republic is:

1. the minority has the protection

2. the rule of law prevails

3. is majority rule with protection for dissenting points of view

was NOT true in the Union of Soviet Socialist REPUBLICs

is NOT true in the Democratic People's REPUBLIC of Korea

was not necessarily true in the REPUBLICS of ancient Rome.

Therefore, those things you describe are NOT characteristics of what a Republic is.

There are many types of Democracies.  Ours IS a Democracy in the form of a Republic, which simply means we have a representative government (as opposed to a Monarchy, which the people in the colonies had before).

Some say we have a Democratic-Republic.  Some say we have a Constitutional Democracy or a Constitutional Republic.  All are correct. 

Nobody claimed to state we have a pure Democracy. But you write as if you think all Democracies are pure Democracies.   You EVEN failed to comprehend Gordon's line where he wrote, "Then there’s Classical Athens, which was a pure democracy."

He obviously knows the difference in Democracies, and he knows ours is NOT a pure Democracy.

I bet you don't even know why our Democracy in the form of a Republic, is considered a Constitutional Democracy or a Constitutional Republic.  It is because the form our government takes, is expressly described and created by our Constitution.  I am sure Gordon will elaborate on this in his reply to you.

Since the Pledge of Allegiance you cited wasn't even composed until 1887, 98 years after the Constitution and our government was formed, you cannot use that as proof we have a Republic.  All you have to use as proof is the US Constitution.  But it is NOT the same type of Republic as the USSR, DPK, and ancient Rome.   It is a Constitutional Republic (Constitutional Democracy in the form of a Republic). The Constitution dictates what KIND of representative government we have.  It is a different kind of republic than any other. 

Patrick

 

Dear Gordon The pledge of alligence says " to the Republic for which it stands " So what more proof do you need? The pledge does not say Democracy, now does it Now let me edify you on the subject. The words Republic and Democracy are not interchangeable . Democracy means the majority rules with no protections at all for minority point of view. In a Republic the minority has protection . A pure Democracy can become a lunch mob simply because majority rules. A Democracy can do any damn thing they want to anyone. Hitler's Germany was a Democracy. In a Republic the rule of law prevails. The rule of law protects minority rights. Example is in a Democracy a lynch mob pulls someone over and hangs them because they stole some cattle. Everyone in the mob wants to hang the thief with the thief being the only dissenting vote. Vote is say 6-1 That is a Democracy. Now on a Republic before the mob can hang the thief th sheriff arrives and stops the mob and takes the thief back to jail and sees he gets a fair trial. Afterwards if found guilty the thief is legally hanged That is a Republic Many times throughout history a Democracy has turned into a dictatorship. Again Hitler's Germany being a prime example. Now Gordon and Patrick as well if you understand my simple example you will have learned something with the subtle distinction few understand. Republic is majority rule with Protection for dissenting points of view Democracy is we got the votes let's hang the bastard regardless if he is guilty or not

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Vickie,

What Problem exactly are you referring to, and why would it be better if all the states functioned the same way?

Patrick

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